Legislature(2007 - 2008)CAPITOL 17

02/19/2008 01:00 PM House TRANSPORTATION


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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
            HOUSE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                           
                       February 19, 2008                                                                                        
                           1:04 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kyle Johansen, Chair                                                                                             
Representative Anna Fairclough                                                                                                  
Representative Craig Johnson                                                                                                    
Representative Mike Doogan                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Mark Neuman, Vice Chair                                                                                          
Representative Wes Keller                                                                                                       
Representative Woodie Salmon                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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OVERVIEW(S):  NORTHERN REGION                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
STEVE TITUS, Director                                                                                                           
Northern Region                                                                                                                 
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities                                                                                
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
HOWARD THIES, Director                                                                                                          
Northern Region Maintenance & Operations                                                                                        
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities                                                                                
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  KYLE JOHANSEN  called  the  House Transportation  Standing                                                             
Committee  meeting  to  order at  1:04:46  PM.    Representatives                                                             
Fairclough,  Johnson, Doogan,  and Johansen  were present  at the                                                               
call to order.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW:  NORTHERN REGION                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:04:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  JOHANSEN announced  that the  presentation today  would be                                                               
the last  Department of Transportation  overview.   The committee                                                               
would not be  meeting next Thursday or possibly Tuesday.   At the                                                               
following  meeting,  it would  hear  from  Alaska Marine  Highway                                                               
System staff.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:05:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STEVE   TITUS,   Northern   Regional  Director,   Department   of                                                               
Transportation  & Public  Facilities (DOT&PF),  introduced Howard                                                               
Thies,   the  Northern   Region  Director   of  Maintenance   and                                                               
Operations.  He  thanked members for the opportunity  to speak to                                                               
the committee and said his goal  is to inform members of who does                                                               
what  in  the  Northern  Region  and  to  describe  some  of  the                                                               
challenges faced by those employees.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:06:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. TITUS told members the following:                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     I am a registered professional  civil engineer.  I have                                                                    
     over 30  years of experience in  engineering in Alaska.                                                                    
     My folks  brought me  to Alaska in  1959 as  a ten-year                                                                    
     old kid  - I didn't have  much choice, one of  the best                                                                    
     things they probably  ever did for me.  I  am a Lathrop                                                                    
     High   School  graduate,   a   [University  of   Alaska                                                                    
     Fairbanks] UAF  graduate, a  Vietnam veteran,  and I've                                                                    
     worked as a consultant, for  a consultant.  I've been a                                                                    
     general contractor  and worked for  general contractors                                                                    
     and I've also  worked for a number  of different public                                                                    
     agencies.  That  brings a full circle  of experience of                                                                    
     being self  employed, private sector and  public sector                                                                    
     experience to the table as the regional director.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     I hope all of you have  some of the handouts that we've                                                                    
     provided.   I  hope -  I  would encourage  you to  keep                                                                    
     them.  It's good reference  material.  If you ever need                                                                    
     any updates  to any of  that information, please  get a                                                                    
     hold of  us and  we'll be glad  to supplement  what you                                                                    
     have.    There's  a color  presentation,  a  PowerPoint                                                                    
     presentation.   I'm  not going  to read  from it.   I'm                                                                    
     just going to  go through it, use it as  a backdrop for                                                                    
     the discussion  today and there  will probably  be some                                                                    
     slides  in there  that you've  seen previously  through                                                                    
     the  other  presentations  but   I  thought  they  were                                                                    
     important to make a point.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:08:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. TITUS continued:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     But I think there is  one thing that I think summarizes                                                                    
     our vision  and what  we do  at the  DOT and  that's on                                                                    
     slide 2  and I  will read  that and  it's vision:   the                                                                    
     department  that plans,  designs, constructs,  operates                                                                    
     and  maintains  quality,  safe,  efficient  sustainable                                                                    
     transportation  and  public  facilities that  meet  the                                                                    
     needs  of Alaska's  diverse population,  geography, and                                                                    
     growing  economy.   I think  that sets  a tone  for our                                                                    
     role  as  DOT   to  identify  transportation  projects,                                                                    
     needs,  priorities, make  investment  decisions in  the                                                                    
     different types  of projects that we're  going to have.                                                                    
     We  have  challenges,  lots of  challenges.    We  have                                                                    
     limited resources, both  in people and in  funding.  We                                                                    
     have  expanding   responsibilities.    The   roads  and                                                                    
     airports  are  becoming  more  complex,  that  sort  of                                                                    
     thing.  We have more  and more regulations to deal with                                                                    
     as  it  relates  to  storm  water,  pollution  and  air                                                                    
     quality.  You probably have  all seen that slide of the                                                                    
     curve  that  goes  almost vertically  after  a  certain                                                                    
     point in time.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Inflation, the  environment is a  challenge and  one of                                                                    
     the challenges that I'm working  on with our folks, I'm                                                                    
     challenging them  to take more control  of their scopes                                                                    
     of  the projects,  design and  schedule and  budget, so                                                                    
     we're going  to be  more conscious  of that  than maybe                                                                    
     before.  I  don't want to say that  other folks weren't                                                                    
     but it's one of the thrusts of my tenure.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     The next  slide, you've probably  seen this  one before                                                                    
     but, again,  it's an interesting  slide.  It  puts into                                                                    
     perspective the  size of the  Northern Region.   I like                                                                    
     to say that  the size of the Northern  Region is larger                                                                    
     than Texas.   I  think we pick  on Texas  because Texas                                                                    
     picked  on  Alaska  when  they  were  here  during  the                                                                    
     pipeline.  Anyway,  it is a large area.   It is diverse                                                                    
     in its geography and  demography and natural resources.                                                                    
     We listed  a few of the  things that happen in  the way                                                                    
     of resources and geography  and different elements like                                                                    
     tourism,  etcetera, in  the region.    So we're  large,                                                                    
     we're diverse in population and  we are diverse in what                                                                    
     goes on.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:11:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. TITUS continued:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     The next  slide ...  more specifics about  the Northern                                                                    
     Region.   We're the  largest region in  the state.   We                                                                    
     have  the lowest  population, the  low population,  not                                                                    
     the lowest population.  We  have more...road miles than                                                                    
     any other  region and we  have lots of  rural airports,                                                                    
     mostly  gravel   airports.    We  have   six  certified                                                                    
     airports:  Nome,  Kotzebue,  Barrow,  Valdez,  Cordova,                                                                    
     Deadhorse.  Those are  scattered throughout the region.                                                                    
     Our  low  population and  diverse  area  make for  long                                                                    
     driving distances.  We don't  have the ADT that Central                                                                    
     Region has,  therefore we don't have  the same accident                                                                    
     rate, that  sort of thing  that the other  regions have                                                                    
     and that reflects in some of the funding that we get.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The  rural   roads  are  needed  to   support  economic                                                                    
     development,  not only  just for  the communities  they                                                                    
     serve but for  people like Anchorage, I  mean the ports                                                                    
     of Anchorage and Valdez and  Cordova has Fairbanks as a                                                                    
     hub.  They are served by  these rural roads.  We've got                                                                    
     to   get  goods   and  services   from  and   to  these                                                                    
     communities.  So there's a lot going on.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     The Northern  Region's strategy  - and  everybody wants                                                                    
     to know about a plan.   You know, we always have a plan                                                                    
     for  doing   stuff  and,  of   course,  this   list  of                                                                    
     strategies is used  as a backdrop for  the planning and                                                                    
     the programming for projects that  we work on given the                                                                    
     different  types and  amounts of  funding sources.   So                                                                    
     there's  how  the  different   projects  fit  into  the                                                                    
     different   categories   of   what  we're   trying   to                                                                    
     accomplish.    You've   heard  in  other  presentations                                                                    
     weight  restriction   issues  on  the   Parks  Highway.                                                                    
     That's  one  of the  areas  that  we're working  on  in                                                                    
     projects.   Pavement  preservation -  we're working  on                                                                    
     that in  ... the Parks  Highway and the  Alaska Highway                                                                    
     area.  Of course bridges are  a big thing.  We've got a                                                                    
     current  big  project  in   the  Tanana  River  bridge,                                                                    
     replacing that.  We just  finished the Washington Creek                                                                    
     Bridge outside of  town and we're hoping  to get funded                                                                    
     for the Snake  River Bridge in Nome for  fixing that as                                                                    
     well.    We've  got   some  congestion  issues  in  the                                                                    
     Fairbanks  area and  some  facility  upgrades with  our                                                                    
     [snow removal  equipment building] srebs and  Jim River                                                                    
     -  we're looking  for  capital funding  for  that.   It                                                                    
     looks like it's in the budget.   We have some srebs and                                                                    
     I was out to a rural  airport where one of these srebs,                                                                    
     and that's  a snow  removal equipment building,  it was                                                                    
     actually  just  sinking into  the  ground  so that's  a                                                                    
     deferred maintenance issue and  there are some problems                                                                    
     there that we're trying to work on.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     We do realize  that the [indisc.] public  is our client                                                                    
     and that  we do  the best  that we  can to  serve those                                                                    
     folks and meet their needs.   Sometimes you read in the                                                                    
     paper, we  don't necessarily get  there but I  can tell                                                                    
     you it's not for lack of trying.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:14:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. TITUS continued:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Northern Region challenges  and severe climate impacts.                                                                    
     In the Northern  Region we go from  no permafrost areas                                                                    
     to   discontinuous  permafrost   areas  to   continuous                                                                    
     permafrost areas.   We've  got a lot  of lane  miles of                                                                    
     roads in  those types of  areas and they all  come with                                                                    
     different    engineering    challenges,    construction                                                                    
     challenges and  there's a few examples  of some highway                                                                    
     stress and ... typical settlement  things.  And we also                                                                    
     have  some  environmental challenges,  extreme  weather                                                                    
     challenges.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     This  winter  we  experienced a  little  cold  weather,                                                                    
     which  was a  little  more like  Fairbanks  of older  -                                                                    
     Interior of  older.   It was  60 plus  below in  Tok, I                                                                    
     think, and so we can go  from 60 below to 90 above, not                                                                    
     in  the  same  day  but  winter,  summer,  potentially.                                                                    
     Those  all  impact  the  roads  and  airports  in  that                                                                    
     specific locale.  Some of  the results of those climate                                                                    
     changes  are high  construction and  maintenance costs.                                                                    
     When you have subsidence in  your roads you have to get                                                                    
     out and fix them.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     A few more  examples of climate impacts,  we've got the                                                                    
     climate, we've got permafrost,  we've got dust control,                                                                    
     we've  got snow  removal, which  is avalanche  areas in                                                                    
     Thompson Pass  and Atigun Pass  on the  Dalton Highway.                                                                    
     We get  wildfires.  I  don't know if any  other regions                                                                    
     get  that many  wildfires but  we get  fires that  come                                                                    
     right up  to our roads  and a  few years ago  they were                                                                    
     pretty close to  town and that caused  some people some                                                                    
     stress.    That's  for  sure   and  what  happens  with                                                                    
     wildfires, you have a fire  then you have a rain event,                                                                    
     you have erosion and so  we have some problems with our                                                                    
     embankments and that sort of  thing.  I wasn't as aware                                                                    
     of    natural   disasters    to   the    transportation                                                                    
     infrastructure  until I  came  to the  DOT about  storm                                                                    
     events  on  the  coast,  out in  western  Alaska,  rain                                                                    
     events  in  our  southern   southeastern  part  of  our                                                                    
     district and the Valdez area  and we've got a couple of                                                                    
     pictures in  the presentation about  them but  they all                                                                    
     cause  some  problems  and   the  potential  damage  to                                                                    
     airports and  sanitation roads and  EVAC roads  in some                                                                    
     of our  remote areas is concerning.   River communities                                                                    
     are   subject  to   floods  and   their  transportation                                                                    
     infrastructures are  impacted.   The ability to  get to                                                                    
     an airport is a problem.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Dust control.  Dust is  a health issue  in many  of the                                                                    
     communities.    It's  becoming   more  and  more  of  a                                                                    
     problem.   EPA is getting  involved in it and  a number                                                                    
     of folks are  working that issue to  include the Denali                                                                    
     Commission and the  DOT as well.  We've  included a lot                                                                    
     of dust control  in our current projects.  We  do it on                                                                    
     the  Dalton Highway  all of  the time,  not the  entire                                                                    
     highway  but  segments.   We're  constantly  trying  to                                                                    
     control  the  dust  with it  in  cooperation  with  the                                                                    
     communities.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:19:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. TITUS continued:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     The  next  slide  kind  of  gives  you  a  little  more                                                                    
     perspective.    I  know  last  week  that  the  [Alaska                                                                    
     Trucking  Association, Inc.]  ATA and  Mr. Reeves  were                                                                    
     here and the ATA talked  a bit about the Dalton Highway                                                                    
     and  how important  it was.   Mr.  Reeves spoke  to the                                                                    
     importance and  the economic  importance of  the Dalton                                                                    
     Highway as  it relates to  a gas pipeline.   Well, it's                                                                    
     our job to  maintain the Dalton Highway and  we do that                                                                    
     and  it's a  large  task.   It's a  large  part of  the                                                                    
     budget.  It's  a large part of what we  do.  The Dalton                                                                    
     Highway was completed  in 1975 and the  state took over                                                                    
     in 1978 and  I think most of us understand  that it was                                                                    
     built  to  support  the  pipeline.   It  was  built  to                                                                    
     secondary  road standards,  which meant  slower speeds,                                                                    
     narrower  driving  surfaces,   narrower  shoulders  and                                                                    
     could have steeper  hills.  The grade  could be steeper                                                                    
     than  your primary  road standards.    It goes  through                                                                    
     varied geographical  conditions, I mean  from Livengood                                                                    
     country  all the  way  to Deadhorse.    You go  through                                                                    
     mountains,  you go  through  coastal  plains and  river                                                                    
     plains, river areas where you  have lots of gravel and,                                                                    
     of course, it  crosses the Arctic Circle.   Now you get                                                                    
     into   continuous  permafrost.      That  causes   some                                                                    
     problems.   We  maintain that  through workforces  that                                                                    
     are stationed  in seven maintenance  camps and  you can                                                                    
     see them on the diagram from Livengood to Deadhorse.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     A  few more  things about  the Dalton  Highway, it's  a                                                                    
     little over  400 miles long.   It has very  heavy truck                                                                    
     traffic.  It  is open to the public and  the trips I've                                                                    
     been  on on  the  Dalton I've  seen  bikers, I've  seen                                                                    
     runners,  I've  seen  -  bikers  meaning  bicycles  and                                                                    
     motorcycles.  You  get all kinds of  different kinds of                                                                    
     traffic on that.   If you ever have  the opportunity to                                                                    
     make  the  trip  down  the   Dalton  Highway,  I  would                                                                    
     recommend  it.    It's  very   interesting.    And  the                                                                    
     recreational  travel  of just  [recreational  vehicles]                                                                    
     RVs   and   people   out  sightseeing   has   increased                                                                    
     substantially over time.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Now, there's the  projection of a gas line  impact.  It                                                                    
     will be  the transportation route to  get materials and                                                                    
     people and pipe up the  North Slope.  We estimate there                                                                    
     is going to  be about 34,000 one-way loads  so that's a                                                                    
     pipe  going up,  maybe  an empty  truck  going back  so                                                                    
     there's going to be at  least 34,000 one-way trips just                                                                    
     for  the  pieces of  pipe.    There  should be  in  the                                                                    
     neighborhood of 200  plus just loads in  support so you                                                                    
     can imagine that's a lot  of traffic that goes over the                                                                    
     Haul Road.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     The legislature has  provided capital appropriations in                                                                    
     prior years to do widening  and resurfacing.  I want to                                                                    
     thank you  folks for  that and  hope that  you continue                                                                    
     doing that because we continue  to have resurfacing and                                                                    
     culvert issues and that sort of thing.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:23:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. TITUS continued:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     The  pipeline  traffic  with  the  load  counts  that  we're                                                               
     projecting is going to have a  huge effect and impact on the                                                               
     road and  our ability to maintain  it.  So, right  now, it's                                                               
     about 70 percent  of the road is about 28  foot wide and the                                                               
     bullet over  here is 30  percent and it is  reconstructed to                                                               
     32  foot wide  so that  is in  our strategies  of trying  to                                                               
     increase  our  road  standards.   And  we  talked  about  14                                                               
     million  cubic yards  of resurfacing  ... required  over the                                                               
     next  50  years  so  that  kind of  intrigued  me  being  an                                                               
     engineer.   I  want to  give  you -  how  big a  pile is  14                                                               
     million cubic  yards?  Well,  if you imagine a  rubrics cube                                                               
     that  is 720  feet,  25  feet in  each  direction, that  box                                                               
     encompasses  about  14  million  cubic  yards  and  if  that                                                               
     doesn't do  it, it's  about 2.5  football fields  going each                                                               
     way so that's a pretty good  pile of material, which we have                                                               
     to buy,  put down, blade and  compact.  So that  gives you a                                                               
     little idea  of some of the  issues we run into  and it's in                                                               
     the  annual   operating  budget  for  the   Haul  Road,  not                                                               
     including the  capital appropriation we get  for resurfacing                                                               
     is in the $10 to $12 million a year.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:24:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. TITUS continued:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     So,  issues.   I mentioned  a number  of them  already.                                                                    
     With heavy truck traffic we  lose the trucks, you know,                                                                    
     dust control.  We do dust  control on the Dalton but as                                                                    
     they  travel  the road  we  lose  dust.   It's  a  fine                                                                    
     material  that blows  away.   The surface  then becomes                                                                    
     like marbles.   It doesn't bind; it  doesn't tighten up                                                                    
     and  rolls  off  into  the  ditches  so  we  have  some                                                                    
     problems there.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Just getting  material source  sites is  an issue.   We                                                                    
     have some  problems in that  area but with  the funding                                                                    
     we hope  to get through  capital and maybe  through the                                                                    
     general obligation  bond.  We  can do  some stockpiling                                                                    
     of materials so  we have that material when  we need it                                                                    
     to  be  more  efficient   in  our  maintenance  of  the                                                                    
     highway.                                                                                                                   
     Needs - I think you heard  that there are lots of needs                                                                    
     through Mr.  Reeves but  just some  of the  issues that                                                                    
     we've had.   In  2005, general fund  appropriation from                                                                    
     the  legislature we  rebuilt the  Chandalar maintenance                                                                    
     camp.    It is  a  nice  addition.    Like I  said,  we                                                                    
     received capital appropriations for  repair and in '05,                                                                    
     '06, and '07.  Currently,  there's a general obligation                                                                    
     bond.   There's $14  million for improvements  - Dalton                                                                    
     resurfacing and  Jim River maintenance shop  to replace                                                                    
     that  maintenance station,  which is  having some  real                                                                    
     problems with  its foundation and  that sort  of thing.                                                                    
     And of course  I believe you folks have  been talked to                                                                    
     about  the Rise  (ph) report.   It  has lots  of future                                                                    
     needs for  the gas  pipeline but projects  currently in                                                                    
     the funding program are listed  there.  The Yukon River                                                                    
     Bridge redecking  and Dalton  3749 both  were completed                                                                    
     last  summer  so  those  are  two  projects  that  were                                                                    
     completed and  this intermodal  project will  be worked                                                                    
     on this coming summer.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:26:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. TITUS continued:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Funding  and needs.    It's no  secret  you folks  know                                                                    
     costs and  needs are  increasing.   Our funding  is not                                                                    
     keeping up  with that so there  is a funding gap.   How                                                                    
     do  you reconcile  that?   The  lower  cartoon just  is                                                                    
     provided  for  information  that   many  of  the  other                                                                    
     states, like 78  percent of them, are  having a general                                                                    
     fund program so they don't  rely so much on the federal                                                                    
     dollars.   I know  Jeff Ottesen has  been here  to give                                                                    
     you   information   about   [Statewide   Transportation                                                                    
     Improvement Plan] STIP  and that sort of  thing to show                                                                    
     that it's  a declining trust fund  - declining revenue.                                                                    
     Less funding  results in  fewer projects  and splitting                                                                    
     projects up so  that they can -  into smaller projects,                                                                    
     phasing them  so we can  get to them.   This horizontal                                                                    
     work of  airports, roads and bridges  is just expensive                                                                    
     work.   It's just very  expensive work.  It  takes some                                                                    
     money.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Next, general funds.  I  wanted to provide a slide that                                                                    
     showed you  that this  is a trend  of the  general fund                                                                    
     that we've gotten  in the past.  You can  see that it's                                                                    
     - the slope  is declining.  Very hopeful  that we'll be                                                                    
     successful  in   the  capital   appropriation  [general                                                                    
     obligation] GO  process this year  and this  next slide                                                                    
     is, I  think you've  probably all seen  this too  but I                                                                    
     just  wanted to  put it  in to  show that  general fund                                                                    
     dollars, we  can cut the  life and tenure of  a project                                                                    
     in  half, just  about, because  we can  do many  of the                                                                    
     tasks and  design in parallel  and that's what  you see                                                                    
     in the red.   The blue is the events  and tasks we have                                                                    
     to do  under a federal  project and they  become series                                                                    
     events so  that it does save  us time.  We  can get the                                                                    
     project  on the  street  quicker and  it  saves in  the                                                                    
     budget because  we're not losing inflation  on a yearly                                                                    
     basis.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:29:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. TITUS continued:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     There's a  needs list that  was started about  15 years                                                                    
     ago and so we'll display the  needs as we see that, and                                                                    
     this list  that we keep  track of and of  the different                                                                    
     needs  in the  region and  there's a  slide there  that                                                                    
     says we're  up in the,  you know, funded all  the needs                                                                    
     and that  probably includes the  wants too.   There's a                                                                    
     difference, of course, between the  needs and wants but                                                                    
     that's in the  $4, $4.7 billion range.   Obviously with                                                                    
     the amount of capital  funding we're getting, we're not                                                                    
     eating it,  eroding that list  real fast.   Here's some                                                                    
     information   about  -   the   next   slide  is   about                                                                    
     construction, costs  of construction.   There  are some                                                                    
     graphs there  that talk about asphalt  and indicate how                                                                    
     we compare  to national highway construction  and we're                                                                    
     almost  twice as  much as  the national  average.   Our                                                                    
     asphalt  is a  petroleum product.   Petroleum  products                                                                    
     aren't cheap  and I don't  know that they are  going to                                                                    
     get a whole lot cheaper.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:31:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHNSON   asked  whether  the   federal  pipeline                                                               
coordinator has  been contacted for assistance  in gaining access                                                               
to potential  materials on  federal land along  the highway.   He                                                               
assumed it is part of that office's job to expedite.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. TITUS said to his knowledge no contact has been made.  The                                                                  
pipeline and corridor has been coming on fast but DOT&PF can and                                                                
will do that as the project begins to develop.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:32:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON  said the state  has needs now and  one of                                                               
those needs is  to upgrade the Dalton Highway.   He asked whether                                                               
the materials on federal lands have been inventoried.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. TITUS deferred to Mr. Thies to answer.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:32:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HOWARD  THIES,  Director  of   Northern  Region  Maintenance  and                                                               
Operations,  Department  of  Transportation &  Public  Facilities                                                               
(DOT&PF), said  DOT&PF has  been working on  some of  those sites                                                               
with the [Bureau of Land Management]  BLM and the U.S. Army Corps                                                               
of Engineers.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON said a phone  call to the federal pipeline                                                               
coordinator might  be appropriate to  help get access to  some of                                                               
the other inventoried sites along the highway on federal lands.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:33:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. TITUS continued his presentation:                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Airports  - way  back  on a  previous  slide we  talked                                                                    
     about we have  about 103 airports in the  region.  Most                                                                    
     of   them  are   rural   airports.     We've  got   six                                                                    
     certificated  airports.   I mentioned  that.   Airports                                                                    
     are like roads.   They have all the  same problems with                                                                    
     the  geography and  the  freeze-thaw  issues, the  dust                                                                    
     issues   and   resurfacing   issues  so   they're   not                                                                    
     invincible  to   the  environment  and  they   are  the                                                                    
     lifeline  for  a  lot  of  all  those  communities  for                                                                    
     medivacs and  by-pass mail  and just  transportation in                                                                    
     and out.   It is  their transportation corridor  to the                                                                    
     hubs.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     We have  approximately - 60  percent of  those airports                                                                    
     are  under   contract  for   snow  removal   and  minor                                                                    
     maintenance  by people  within  the  communities.   The                                                                    
     others are maintained  by DOT.  They are  closer to the                                                                    
     road system so  we can get to them.   Often we contract                                                                    
     with folks with  very little experience.   They are the                                                                    
     only ones there.   On heavy equipment  we have training                                                                    
     programs  to try  and get  them involved  and to  train                                                                    
     them  up.   We  do  have a  need  for  training in  the                                                                    
     villages for those folks on heavy equipment.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Of  course skyrocketing  fuel  and  electric costs  are                                                                    
     always a  problem and when you  start doing maintenance                                                                    
     you  are running  equipment and  you are  needing fuel.                                                                    
     So those things, and we're  not without security issues                                                                    
     at  our certificated  airports, as  well as  some other                                                                    
     areas.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:35:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. TITUS continued:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Moving  on to  maintenance  and operation.   There's  a                                                                    
     number of folks - there  are some stats there about the                                                                    
     number of  employees and seasonal employees  and number                                                                    
     of  maintenance  districts,  etcetera,  and  there's  a                                                                    
     slide that shows  you the type of  operating dollars we                                                                    
     get  compared to  what the  need would  be.   There's a                                                                    
     difference.   We're still trying  to - we're  doing the                                                                    
     very best  we can and,  as I  say, with the  money that                                                                    
     we're  getting -  the folks  in maintenance  are unsung                                                                    
     heroes I  think of our  business and organization.   As                                                                    
     an  example, a  couple of  weeks  ago we  had about  50                                                                    
     below  and 60  mile an  hour winds  up on  Eagle Summit                                                                    
     country.   Our guys closed  the road down and  then the                                                                    
     next morning - and that  was starting to be in conflict                                                                    
     with the  Quest.  That was  a bit of a  problem because                                                                    
     the dogs couldn't  get around so the  next morning they                                                                    
     showed up at 6:00 a.m.  and worked, I think, until 6:00                                                                    
     p.m. that  night to open it  up and make sure  that all                                                                    
     the  folks got  through, the  dogs and  their [indisc.]                                                                    
     and that sort of thing.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     I don't  have my wind  chill chart  handy but I  did go                                                                    
     out and  look it up.   At 50 degrees  Fahrenheit, minus                                                                    
     50, and  60 mile per  hour wind, it's about  120 below.                                                                    
     So we  had our guys out  there working in that  and, at                                                                    
     120 below,  exposed flesh will  frostbite in  5 minutes                                                                    
     or less.   So, they went  out and did their  job.  They                                                                    
     deal  with earthquakes,  floods, fires,  avalanches and                                                                    
     normal maintenance  and I know  when they're  out there                                                                    
     doing maintenance and crack seal  and overlays they are                                                                    
     dealing with a  lot of mosquitoes as well  out there on                                                                    
     the roads in rural areas.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:37:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. TITUS continued:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Here's  a  graphic to  show  what  the Northern  Region                                                                    
     proposed GO bonds - the  three projects that are in the                                                                    
     general obligation  bond are shown  there.  I  talked a                                                                    
     bit about most of those already.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Significant projects  and accomplishments - a  few nice                                                                    
     pictures to  show.  These  are some of the  things that                                                                    
     we do  with the  money that we're  given.   Actually at                                                                    
     North  Pole there's  one  more  roundabout that  didn't                                                                    
     quite get in  the picture but there's three  of them in                                                                    
     a row  there.  The  city is really pleased  with those.                                                                    
     We even  had candy  stripe street  light poles  to meet                                                                    
     the theme of the city.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     So  lastly, what  can  you  do for  us?    I think  the                                                                    
     transportation infrastructure  is in need of  a general                                                                    
     fund transportation  plan.  How  to get there is  up to                                                                    
     you folks.   I would solicit your support  in a program                                                                    
     of that  nature and I  know if it's being  talked about                                                                    
     in other areas.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Increased  [maintenance   &  operating]   M&O  budgets.                                                                    
     We're  having  -  our  budgets  for  operating  budgets                                                                    
     aren't quite  enough to do what  we need to do  so when                                                                    
     you have  an opportunity to  help us in that  area that                                                                    
     would be appreciated.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     And, of  course, support  of the  CIP projects  that we                                                                    
     have  as  well  as   projects  that  would  potentially                                                                    
     support  the gas  -  the transportation  infrastructure                                                                    
     that would support the pipeline.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     And, of  course, last is  some contact  information and                                                                    
     here's one of those M&O  guys that I was talking about.                                                                    
     October '06  we had a flood  down by Valdez.   That was                                                                    
     before I was  the regional director.  They  worked up -                                                                    
     Mike Coffee  testified before you  folks before  but he                                                                    
     was heavily  involved in that  at that time and  it was                                                                    
     quite impressive to see what  those folks got done.  If                                                                    
     you  go  to the  very  beginning  of our  presentation,                                                                    
     there is a picture of the  same slide 2 paving at zero.                                                                    
     That's  also in  the  Keystone Canyon  where they  were                                                                    
     finishing  up and  they were  putting down  pavement in                                                                    
         zero degrees.  They tell me that that piece of                                                                         
     pavement is still in pretty good shape.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:40:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DOOGAN  said several people have  testified to the                                                               
need for work on the Dalton  Highway.  He asked whether that need                                                               
is  exclusive to  the  official Dalton  Highway  or whether  work                                                               
needs to be done on the entire highway north of Fairbanks.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. TITUS said the Dalton Highway  is represented in red on slide                                                               
8, but  DOT&PF is  responsible for the  road from  Fairbanks from                                                               
Mile 163 on the Parks Highway all  the way to Deadhorse.   A load                                                               
coming from  Anchorage has to  go all the  way up the  highway so                                                               
the   area   between   Fairbanks  and   Livengood   is   DOT&PF's                                                               
responsibility.  Most of that  area does not have the maintenance                                                               
need that the Dalton Highway has.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:41:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DOOGAN asked if that part  of the highway is up to                                                               
standard.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. TITUS said not all of it.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DOOGAN surmised  that  part of  the highway  will                                                               
need work in conjunction with the natural gas pipeline.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. TITUS  said that  question is  interesting because  the start                                                               
time  of pipeline  construction is  undetermined but  the section                                                               
from Livengood  to Fairbanks needs work.   The worst part  of the                                                               
road is from Livengood to mile 37.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:42:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH  asked whether  the Northern  Region is                                                               
responsible for any ports.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. TITUS said  DOT&PF has facilities in Valdez  and Cordova, but                                                               
no ports per se.  He  specified the Northern Region has highways,                                                               
aviation and facilities.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DOOGAN noted his  relationship with Mr. Titus goes                                                               
back to playing Little League  baseball together.  He advised Mr.                                                               
Titus to hunker down behind Marine Highways.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:43:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FAIRCLOUGH  noted  the committee  has  considered                                                               
looking  into a  river ferry  system and  asked Mr.  Titus if  he                                                               
could comment  on how he would  prioritize such a system  and how                                                               
that would address transportation needs to river communities.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. TITUS  said he  tried to  research a river  ferry system.   A                                                               
small study  was done years ago  on that, but it  dropped off the                                                               
radar.   He said he  couldn't offer  any new information  at this                                                               
time but could provide copies of that study.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FAIRCLOUGH  pointed  out  the  committee  already                                                               
heard legislation  on that issue.   She suggested Mr.  Titus look                                                               
at Representative Salmon's proposal.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:45:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JOHANSEN thanked Mr. Titus  for his presentation.  He noted                                                               
that  the  committee  appreciates  the challenges  faced  by  the                                                               
Northern  Region  and the  work  he  and  his  crews do  in  that                                                               
climate.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Transportation Standing  Committee meeting was adjourned  at 1:47                                                               
p.m.                                                                                                                            

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